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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 9:46:50 GMT -5
I figure the only way around the issue is to CLONE the Bonus items as CC using S4S.....me thinks (?)
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Post by paika on Nov 8, 2015 16:17:26 GMT -5
What?!?! So is that why the game tells me some stuff's not installed? I always thought it's some weird cc issue, that some mods just simply stop working for no reason. Happened once when building a new house, and next time I loaded it, it said that. And I didn't even touch my mods folder. I don't even know when I'm online or not! Stupid EA. So what happens when you place some other item in the same spot where a missing item was and then go online? I only have Outdoor and GTW packs, so I haven't seen this pop up in quite a while, but man, it must be annoying.
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Post by orangemittens on Nov 9, 2015 2:16:19 GMT -5
@stevenssimsstuff, what item was it?
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Post by Finn Quill on Nov 9, 2015 7:35:06 GMT -5
Personally, I'm totally okay with EA 'outsourcing' minor stuff to the mod community. The mod community exists, it makes good stuff. As long as they aren't constantly breaking mods willy-nilly, then I'd rather Maxis work on stuff the mod community can't fix or add. Let them do the big stuff, and modders take care of fixing stuff. Honestly, with a game like this, there's no way to please everyone anyway. One man's fix is another man's gamebreaker. I've seen a lot of 'fixes' on MTS that I think are complete poo (of note, I don't mean that I think the modder is having some kind of badwrongfun, I just think those mods would make my experience less fun).
For instance, there's a tuning mod for fishing that makes fishing take a lot less effort/time, and I get it, but the game is easy enough as is, and sometimes it's nice to just tell my Sim to go away and fish for a while so I can take care of some other stuff. For them, that's a fix, for me it's cutting corners. In turn, I asked earlier for an update to a mod that makes the cowplant much deadlier (including luring poor dumb Sims to autonomously chow down on the cake), I'm sure that's not a feature that would appeal to everyone. I am happy to make sure my cowplant is very carefully tended and locked away so my dumb little Sims won't die, but also so it'll be much easier to just open the lock on the gate and let guests be enticed into providing me with eternal youth.
In turn, lots of people dislike the non-open world in Sims 4, and sometimes I'm frustrated by it too, but I'd rather have a game that runs well, and Sims 4 runs much better for me than 3 ever did (plus, in Sims 3, loading time was still an issue, it was just all frontloaded, so you had long ass loads right at the beginning, even if you didn't really plan on leaving the lot, I'd much rather have extra, short loads, but only have to load stuff when I plan to go there).
Some people hate the humour and cheekiness and dumbness of the Sims, I see it as part of the charm. The Sims are dumb, they're not humans, they need guidance. That's why it's a game. I wish they didn't suck quite as hard as they do, but in my mind, that's just what makes Sims what they are. Stupidity is just inherent to their species.
I honestly hate EA as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to poo on Maxis or Bioware because of it. They're good developers that happen to be stuck with a sucky overseer, and honestly, 'The Sims' suffers greatly for being very open to interpretation (as to what makes a good life sim) and basically being the only game in town (meaning everyone wants it to cater to their ideal life sim). I mean, in the same way I don't understand how GTA is more popular than Saints Row (because if you're going to do stupid ridiculous stuff all the time, just own it and get ridiculous, don't try to pretend to be serious). Still, I don't begrudge it, I just play Saints Row and soldier on.
Anyway, that was more ranty than I wanted, but I've been thinking about this stuff a while, and my brain is screaming at me for taking on this bed frame/mattress project, so I'm in a venty mood. I needed to write something that wasn't part of a bulleted list for a while...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 11:40:39 GMT -5
@stevenssimsstuff, what item was it? Edgar the Generous Door The Gumber Fesh Bow The Ornate Beauty These 3 items, that appearently the Sims Community voted on...(Had no Clue, until the Voting was done..Ha! °Note to self: Check EA Sims site every couple of weeks, hmmmmm - nah.)
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Post by Merry927 on Nov 9, 2015 15:38:35 GMT -5
Ryu, I see your points. And I would prefer smarter Sims, but I am not expecting Maxis to custom tailor the game to me. I also have zero problems with the conscious decision to make The Sims amenable to customization. It's when you get way less for the same amount of money or there are obvious problems that you know weren't planned for game play. I mean, I can't believe that the programmers thought that having a Sim sit down first before putting books or plates of food away was just part of Simology. They just started the anims at the wrong place and still haven't been bothered to fix it. Okay...okay...there is one point at which that is kind of funny - when your Sim is cleaning up a dozen pates of food inside the house after a party, but all the chairs were moved outside of the house for the wedding ceremony. But that's Deviousness, not Mischief!
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Post by Finn Quill on Nov 9, 2015 17:30:49 GMT -5
Ryu, I see your points. And I would prefer smarter Sims, but I am not expecting Maxis to custom tailor the game to me. I also have zero problems with the conscious decision to make The Sims amenable to customization. It's when you get way less for the same amount of money or there are obvious problems that you know weren't planned for game play. I mean, I can't believe that the programmers thought that having a Sim sit down first before putting books or plates of food away was just part of Simology. They just started the anims at the wrong place and still haven't been bothered to fix it. Okay...okay...there is one point at which that is kind of funny - when your Sim is cleaning up a dozen pates of food inside the house after a party, but all the chairs were moved outside of the house for the wedding ceremony. But that's Deviousness, not Mischief! No doubt, there's some wonk, though I think there's something to be said about how much fricken' better the CAS and build modes are in 4, and that stuff takes time and coding and whatnot. It's content, whether or not it 'feels' like it (I'm not saying you're disregarding it, but I think a lot of people do). Coding is a bitch, too, and stuff breaks. I haven't run into any majorly game-breaking issues, and anything I found was just dumb, has mostly been fixed by modders. Should they have to, maybe not, but they did, and in the end, when I play the game, the stuff works the way I want it to, I don't care who put it there. Sure, it sucks for non-modders, but I think modding needs to become more of a mainstream thing, that companies push and support. Ultimately, it's just better for the gaming community, because then I can play my version of the Sims and you can play yours. I'm happy to admit when I think some poo is just laziness though. I mean townie generation is straight up stupid... You'll get no arguments from me there. That is just laziness, they legit need to at least add more family templates into the mix. Also, the inventory system needs a hardcore overhaul. As far as little bugs go, they should fix them, but coding is wonk and again, I'd rather see them implementing new gameplay features. Coding is wonky, anyway, I'm not going to begrudge it, there's a reason the '99 little bugs in the code' meme is a thing*. Honestly, what bothers me most is that people love to jump on the bitching bandwagon. I don't know how anyone can get away with suggesting TS4 is worse for nickle and diming than TS3. The Sim Point store was some microtransaction hell. Yes, there's also a lack of content, but base-game TS3 wasn't especially full either, and I don't remember TS3 getting any real content updates for free. TS4 is embracing that games can be an evolving experience now more than ever, and I appreciate that. Also, the lack of transparency with the development team just doesn't strike me as worth bitching about. PR is damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you say something wrong, the interpret will rip you a new one, at least when you don't say anything, there's nothing to misinterpret. I blame the fans for lack of transparency, too many game companies have seen what rabid speculation, minor missteps, and other little stupid things can do. It's not worth it. If we want transparency, we need to start shutting those assholes up and make it a safe place for developers to talk to the community. I mean, that's not all addressed at you, Merry, this is just my general buckshot response to the general way 'TS4 is the worst' discussions go. It's not productive. You seem totally reasonable, so I'd happily shoot the breeze with you on what you'd like to see in the game. If the dissenting opinion sounded more like you most of the time, I think we'd get a lot farther. *For those that don't know:
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Post by orangemittens on Nov 9, 2015 18:06:01 GMT -5
I think a lot of the things that are less than perfect in Sims 4 evolved from the fact that it wasn't meant to be the kind of game it is when it was first put together. It was meant to be more of an online social kind of "experience" rather than what it became. The coders weren't given a whole lot of time to do a 180 degree switcharoo on it and some things show signs of being hastily thrown together. That said, I think EA has done a pretty good job of patching things up and giving us a pretty damn charming game. Does EA fully understand the community?...no...is it possible for anyone to understand every niche group in our community?...probably not. EA puts together something that is designed to please, or at least be acceptable, to every person who buys it. Making it something that feels individual is up to modders. The Studio project was conceived to make modding easy enough and accessible enough that just about anyone can make things for their own game and to share with others who have the same preference in game content. My personal feeling is that there is no way for any individual entity, no matter how large, to make content that every player feels allows them to customize their game how they want it to be. Only having a bunch of players making content can accomplish that. Love the pics ryu (Gabriel Quinn)...they're so funny because that is all so true.
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Post by Finn Quill on Nov 9, 2015 18:57:56 GMT -5
I think a lot of the things that are less than perfect in Sims 4 evolved from the fact that it wasn't meant to be the kind of game it is when it was first put together. It was meant to be more of an online social kind of "experience" rather than what it became. The coders weren't given a whole lot of time to do a 180 degree switcharoo on it and some things show signs of being hastily thrown together. Yeah, that's a piece of transparency I wish Maxis would make better known. I'm sure some people would call poo on it, but honestly, it's a budget issue. They can't just scrap a project that big, they can't postpone too much, games take money. AAA games eat funding. It's sad, but true. If Maxis were just like: 'Ohp, no pools, no ghosts, no toddlers, firetruck** everyone!' sure, I'd jump on the bandwagon of screw them. However, they are providing plenty of free content updates to the game, and again, in this day and age, I think that's just the nature of video games. Don't buy games when they first come out expecting the experience to be complete, it's pretty much never going to be (short of games with a very focused narrative). We live in the era of evolving games, the Early Access market proves that (I mean, look at how popular ARK is and that game is legitimately an incomplete game). Sadly, AAA developers can't market that way, their consumer base would never have it. Gamers are a vitriolic bunch of entitled jerks a lot of the time, and people would cry foul if the developers pointed hat out. Honestly, I'd love to see Maxis (or any developer really) come out and just say: 'Hey, stop being assholes or code it your damn selves. We have budgets, salaries, deadlines, and a number of other issues to deal with, we're working on it!' The Sims is pretty much the only game of its kind on the market, that's usually a pretty good indicator that it's either very niche or hard to develop. Objectively, the game could be better, but relatively, who is making better content? Maybe it's just not that easy. Again, this isn't aimed at anyone here, specifically, I just really can't stand entitlement. I'm totally all for constructive criticism. If you're angry that Maxis isn't sitting down and having constructive discussions, that's not all on them. Point some fingers at the fanbase that can't wait to tear someone a new esteemed friend for every perceived sleight. The worst of it are the people who complain about subjective content like it's objective. As I said before, what is a feature to some is game-breaking to others. You're never going to see me trolling the mod community like: 'You don't want your cowplants to autonomously murder your Sims? What? You play with long life spans/immortality?! There's no challenge in that you loser! Use the mods I think are good and stop playing like a bitch!' That's hyperbole, of course, but I'm just making a point. I actually do feel like sometimes the mod community adds way too many features that make an already easy game easy, but I don't have to use them. Anyway, I'm excited to see EA/Maxis add more framework for modders to build cool stuff on. The mod community has no lack for random decorative poo (I don't mean to be dismissive or derogatory, I mean that with total admiration for how much decorative poo is out there), I want EA/Maxis to give me stuff the modders can't. Bring on the new life states (I'm so ready for a 'Supernatural' style EP). EDIT: I'm sorry if I'm coming off as overly aggressive, I'm not very good at controlling my mental functions lately, and I was always a bit of a ranter. Once this damn mattress/bed frame list is done, I won't be looking for some place to vent anymore. Moodlet: 'Minor OCD' Tense +2 - Once you start a project, you gotta finish it, and it's gotta be done right.
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Post by paika on Nov 10, 2015 9:43:15 GMT -5
Where can I get that T-shirt? ;P
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Post by Merry927 on Nov 10, 2015 10:01:05 GMT -5
This statement makes me really sad. Whether you're 22 or 54, Ryu, I'm thinking, "Kids these days have such low expectations."
Running a business isn't brand new territory. There is nothing new under the sun about an exec jumping on-board with some new thing and not having the sense to stop for a second to think that maybe one or two of the many, many projects he's decided it will apply to across the board aren't as uniformly suited to it (especially when his employees are saying so emphatically).
It was a mistake. It was a matter of incompetence. It wasn't that suddenly for no reason there was a budget; it was that the budget couldn't cover both the failed project and the one that went out.
And, yes, when the franchise ends, which I'm sure has already been decided, there will be other people to fill the gap. I just hope those people aren't doing it in an economic environment, where marketers are telling them straight up that it would be stupid to even try to make it a quality product because everyone now knows that customers will accept anything (even having to be unpaid pro-corporate spokespeople) and still pay as much.
You make the world you live in.
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Post by Merry927 on Nov 10, 2015 10:14:28 GMT -5
And I sure am not going to pretend like my past experience of having higher expectations never happened and this is the best that's possible, especially when just to sweeten the pot, being rude as hell to customers is becoming culturally acceptable business practice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 12:09:53 GMT -5
I have absolutely NO SYMPATHY for any, "GAME CODER". They have a DREAM JOB, they took my Money for a Product that should not only Entertain me, but work correctly.
This is Sims4
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I don't care if EA/Origin is in Charge...or, Joe Blow from Mexico.
When a NEW Edition of ANY Game is released - It should be Twice as better and Entertaining than the last. The Graphics and Textures should be - Better. The Material and Game Packs released - Better.
The Entire Gameplay Experience should blow your socks off compared to the Last Edition.
To me, they really Rocked it with The Spa Stuff...but I Truly expected more from Day 1 - Base Disc release.
-Rock On!-
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Post by Merry927 on Nov 10, 2015 12:52:45 GMT -5
I have sympathy for workers. At least in as far as you're told that you have a dream job and therefore you shouldn't expect to sleep anymore and have real dreams. I have sympathy for the workers who have to dig out all the bugs buried under layers of reused code. I have sympathy for the workers, who tried to communicate to their boss that his ideas wouldn't be feasible, but were brushed off. I have sympathy for those who have already lost their jobs, as a result of someone else's incompetence.
I don't have sympathy for people who are bought and sold and will attack the customers for speaking up about the part of the situation we don't like, instead of having the integrity to lay responsibility for the situation where it properly belongs. I don't have sympathy for people who compensate for the reality of their work situation and their choices to be acquiescent by being arrogant toward others.
I mean, I live near the Silicone Valley, spend time there on a somewhat regular basis and have for some time, and know many people who work or have worked in many areas of the tech industry. Some of them are just jerks; some of them are the people who illuminated me on how these things work.
*edited for typos
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 16:18:08 GMT -5
I'm just not feeling the, "Violin and Tears Scenerio", of working Indoors in Silicon Valley - as a Game Progger. It's my own personal opinion.
They've got the Training, the access to the best Tools and Hardware - They have a Team/Group to solve any major prog Issues - They have Profi Game Testers - They have, literally, everything you could Dream of to make Dreams come to life. That's a Dream Job.
These are not amateurs with Blender and S4S with some Gimp textures, Ladies and Gentlemen. - Come to think of it, that would be amusing.
To make poo under those Harsh circumstances of Silicon Valley, is more than laughable.
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