Converting Clothes into Accessories??


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Converting Clothes into Accessories?? May 1, 2021 19:21:22 GMT -5

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Post by majieo on May 1, 2021 19:21:22 GMT -5

Hello!

I have recently started learning how to make cc only about a week ago, i am very new to everything, so any help would be very much appreciated.

I have made a coat, (clothing top) which now i can see would better suit being an accessory, so that clothes can be worn under it, however i am struggling to convert it, i thought it would be as simple as changing the category, but that didn't work, so i tried to start again with the blender file... transferring the weights etc... to a necklace, it doesn't show up in game at all.
I have tried to find tutorials but having very limited understanding of all of these new tools its difficult for me to follow.

If anyone could help or explain what i need to do as simply as possible ( i am very slow) that would be great, happy to share the files if necessary.

Thankyou!
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Converting Clothes into Accessories?? May 5, 2021 21:53:53 GMT -5 fufu508 likes this

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Post by Fwecka (Lolabellesims) on May 5, 2021 21:53:53 GMT -5

Okay. Quick outline and if you need help just ask.

You need to clone something like a ring or a bracelet to start--something with just one mesh group (don't use a necklace). This file will be the file you import your meshes and textures into. You also will want to clone some sort of a coat or top or something, but without seeing the coat you made I can't tell you what would be a good item to clone. The coat you clone will be used to transfer weights and the UV-1. Make sure your mesh is UV mapped appropriately; this would be your UV_0. You'll need to vertex paint, as well. Don't delete the sim's body parts that are covered by your mesh like you would do with regular clothing. You can, however, delete parts of your mesh that you made that aren't going to be seen. Make sure you have the appropriate cut number applied which, if there's just one mesh group, will be GEOM 0000.

Just as an FYI, a rig is a skeleton and when you assign weights you're assigning parts of your mesh to parts of the skeleton (rig).

Weight painting is a way to refine how the weights alter or morph your mesh during animation. Some parts, like the elbow, for instance, will change shape quite a bit during animation. The parts just above and below the elbow, not so much. The colors of the weight paints dictate how much morphing is supposed to take place. As stated, it's just a way to refine how the weights are used on your item.

The UV_0 is the UV map that you'll use for texturing.

The UV_1 is used for the sliders in CAS. If there is no UV_1 your mesh will not work with the sliders.

Vertex paint is like weight paint in that it helps refine things. Specifically, it helps refine how the sliders affect your mesh. I made a dress once and didn't get the vertex paint right and the sliders were really jerky in CAS. They didn't slide smoothly at all.

Cut numbers I'm not entirely sure I understand, but they have to do with telling the computer where parts of a sim's body should be located when it's wearing a mesh. Here's a pic of what can go wrong if you have more than one mesh group in a mesh and the cut numbers aren't right. The pic is taken from this tutorial.

Last Edit: May 5, 2021 21:55:01 GMT -5 by Fwecka (Lolabellesims)

Looking for a start-to-finish clothing tutorial? Here ya go. Look no further and download here. Please note: this tutorial is outdated. I'm working on a new one.

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Converting Clothes into Accessories?? May 6, 2021 7:42:51 GMT -5 fufu508 likes this

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Post by mauvemorn on May 6, 2021 7:42:51 GMT -5

Hi. A bit of clarification:

1). S4S uses cut numbers to define what part of the mesh in the original package will be replaced with what part of the mesh in the imported blend. The order is very important. Remember that you are not creating a package from scratch, you are replacing the existing information. Unfortunately, not all of it is easily edited, which leads us to the next step;
2). So there is this thing called slotrayinteractions which basically dictates the position of arms in the game. The parts of the body that contain, like, groin/thigh area have that information while a necklace or a ring do not. So when you clone a ring and import a whole coat in it, you introduce a lot of new bones that are not listed in slotrayinteractions. And this can cause extreme distortions. If you won’t see it in your game, someone else might see them in theirs. So instead of cloning a accessory, it would be a better idea to clone something that already comes with those bones like, for example, a lingerie set or something similar that is made of one meshgroup. If you will delete the body parts, you will have no problem converting it to accessory;
3). When choosing the reference for weight and uv transfer, you should be picking not something that is of the same category of clothing, but something that is of the same length, has the same bottom (skirt or pants/nude legs), has as little sculpted details as possible. So if you’re making a coat that does not reach knees for feminine frame, you can clone DressPanels. Bear in mind that this item comes with skirt bones so you cannot import in in the lingerie set. It is best to just delete those bones

Last Edit: May 6, 2021 7:45:56 GMT -5 by mauvemorn

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Converting Clothes into Accessories?? May 6, 2021 15:42:34 GMT -5 fufu508 and Fwecka (Lolabellesims) like this

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Post by Fwecka (Lolabellesims) on May 6, 2021 15:42:34 GMT -5

May 6, 2021 7:42:51 GMT -5 mauvemorn said:

Hi. A bit of clarification:

1). S4S uses cut numbers to define what part of the mesh in the original package will be replaced with what part of the mesh in the imported blend. The order is very important. Remember that you are not creating a package from scratch, you are replacing the existing information. Unfortunately, not all of it is easily edited, which leads us to the next step;
2). So there is this thing called slotrayinteractions which basically dictates the position of arms in the game. The parts of the body that contain, like, groin/thigh area have that information while a necklace or a ring do not. So when you clone a ring and import a whole coat in it, you introduce a lot of new bones that are not listed in slotrayinteractions. And this can cause extreme distortions. If you won’t see it in your game, someone else might see them in theirs. So instead of cloning a accessory, it would be a better idea to clone something that already comes with those bones like, for example, a lingerie set or something similar that is made of one meshgroup. If you will delete the body parts, you will have no problem converting it to accessory;
3). When choosing the reference for weight and uv transfer, you should be picking not something that is of the same category of clothing, but something that is of the same length, has the same bottom (skirt or pants/nude legs), has as little sculpted details as possible. So if you’re making a coat that does not reach knees for feminine frame, you can clone DressPanels. Bear in mind that this item comes with skirt bones so you cannot import in in the lingerie set. It is best to just delete those bones

Thanks for the cut numbers explanation. I was thinking that you'd use an item of clothing to transfer weights and the UV_1 from because, like you said, a ring would not have the appropriate bones or an appropriate UV_1 map.

So, you wouldn't use a ring or bracelet for the final package? I wanted to be sure I was giving the right advice, so I took a look at the CAS part of the accessory jackets I have for Sims 4 and it looked like many of them used a ring or bracelet for the final product. As in, a ring or bracelet was cloned for the final package file. So now I'm a bit confused.

Dang! Every time I feel confident that I know something I find out I'm wrong.

Last Edit: May 6, 2021 15:55:33 GMT -5 by Fwecka (Lolabellesims)

Looking for a start-to-finish clothing tutorial? Here ya go. Look no further and download here. Please note: this tutorial is outdated. I'm working on a new one.

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Converting Clothes into Accessories?? May 6, 2021 16:22:46 GMT -5 fufu508 likes this

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Post by mauvemorn on May 6, 2021 16:22:46 GMT -5

I do not know for sure and have no way of testing this because I never get said distortions no matter what graphics settings I choose (they seem to appear only on the highest). My guess it is somehow related to the graphic card, otherwise I do not know what else it can be.
But i do know that those bones in the thigh area create problems (when you clone lingerie but import a dress affected by skirt bones, when you turn a full-body outfit into a top, etc) so it is best to be safe and clone something that already has the same bones than to remake everything afterward.

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Post by majieo on May 1, 2021 19:21:22 GMT -5

Post by Fwecka (Lolabellesims) on May 5, 2021 21:53:53 GMT -5

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