Dress looks weird in-game and doesn't size with body


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Dress looks weird in-game and doesn't size with body May 7, 2021 18:38:56 GMT -5

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Post by emmeranners on May 7, 2021 18:38:56 GMT -5

I was finally happy with how my dress looked in the S4S preview, so I took a look at it in-game. However, upon doing so, I noticed how strange it looked.

The ribbon around the waist looks jagged - imgur.com/a/vLryoYg

The sleeves look funny and are clipping into the body of the dress - imgur.com/a/fpmA2Bd
- imgur.com/a/MFHxqrb

The bow on the back looks really weird - imgur.com/a/aBwhZnB

There's a strange shiny, jagged look on one side of the fold of the skirt (even though I don't have a specular map added) - imgur.com/a/7j5adSE

And, finally, the dress does not move when you size the body - imgur.com/a/e6ePYYQ
I know this is likely an issue with the vertex paint, but I thought I did it right. I followed this tutorial: sims4studio.com/thread/2479/vertex-paint-sims-4-mesh

Other than the vertex issue, I'm not sure where the other problems came from. The mesh looks fine in Blender, as well as in the S4S preview. I suppose it could be an issue with the normal map, but I thought I did that right as well.

Here's my .package file: 1drv.ms/u/s!AkE9Hy5_UKtQav4vBLAm-LAllIg?e=CeB1RO

Here's my Blender file: 1drv.ms/u/s!AkE9Hy5_UKtQay-hlxZKX8yh25g?e=sjzcWp

Any help would be very much appreciated!!!

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Dress looks weird in-game and doesn't size with body May 8, 2021 7:58:14 GMT -5

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Post by mauvemorn on May 8, 2021 7:58:14 GMT -5

Hi. Long story short, you should watch a different tutorial ( just NOT this one, too many mistakes ) because there are a lot of problems with the garment
Look for a tutorial where you are not told to download Blender 2.7. Always use maxis meshes as a guide for how things should be done. If the author says something that goes against how a maxis mesh is made ( "do not delete the body's uvs", "vertex paint with 00ff04", etc ), they are wrong and you should find a different tutorial bc they are most likely wrong about many other things.

- there is no need to include patterns when exporting the garment from MD;
- instead of importing obj in the new scene, clone something similar in s4s, export the blend, open it. Right now your scene has no body parts and it can cause problems;
- all parts of the body covered by clothing should be deleted. The uvs of your garment should go in the space where those delete uvs were. Right now they are extremely small and your textures will be of very poor quality
- the armpit area should be tighter. You can see in cas that the mesh doesn't look right in the chest area because of them;
- your garment has no proper uv_1;
- you are making a dress that should animate differently than the nude body, so you should be transferring weights and uvs from a dress of the same length;
- if you're making a full-body outfit, clone a full-body outfit. By starting from a top you will be introducing new bones which can cause problems;

- never clone nude body parts. They have a buff that can give the sim wearing the garment an embarrassed moodlet;

- when you hover over a garment in CAS, the area lights up to indicate that you can change the shape of it. The shiny jagged look on the skirt comes from the fact that the uvs are in the wrong place in uv_1;

- and no, the normal map is not right, check how any normal map of the full-body outfit looks like

- your garment is vertex painted by the wrong color. That color is meant for accessories;

Jul 4, 2019 10:01:44 GMT -5 mauvemorn said:

Vertex paint dictates what variation (skin-tight and robe-like) of deformation maps the painted area will deform according to in CAS during body customization and animation.
00FF00 is for skint-tight areas, 3FFF00 is for any skirt-like area ( skirts, bottom parts of dresses, coats, aprons, etc).
Start by choosing 00FF00 and Paint - Set vertex color
1). Disable Limit selection to visible;
2). Holding Ctrl, lasso-select the bottom part of the mesh starting somewhere in the middle of the pelvic bone;
3). Enable sync;
4). Press B and deselect legs;
5). Switch to Vertex paint and enable Face selection masking for painting;
6). Type in 3FFF00;
7). Paint - Set vertex colors;
8). Press A twice to deselect and select everything again, Paint - Smooth vertex colors

Last Edit: May 8, 2021 8:06:50 GMT -5 by mauvemorn

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emmeranners
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Dress looks weird in-game and doesn't size with body May 8, 2021 13:48:08 GMT -5

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Post by emmeranners on May 8, 2021 13:48:08 GMT -5

May 8, 2021 7:58:14 GMT -5 mauvemorn said:

Hi. Long story short, you should watch a different tutorial ( just NOT this one, too many mistakes ) because there are a lot of problems with the garment
Look for a tutorial where you are not told to download Blender 2.7. Always use maxis meshes as a guide for how things should be done. If the author says something that goes against how a maxis mesh is made ( "do not delete the body's uvs", "vertex paint with 00ff04", etc ), they are wrong and you should find a different tutorial bc they are most likely wrong about many other things.

- there is no need to include patterns when exporting the garment from MD;
- instead of importing obj in the new scene, clone something similar in s4s, export the blend, open it. Right now your scene has no body parts and it can cause problems;
- all parts of the body covered by clothing should be deleted. The uvs of your garment should go in the space where those delete uvs were. Right now they are extremely small and your textures will be of very poor quality
- the armpit area should be tighter. You can see in cas that the mesh doesn't look right in the chest area because of them;
- your garment has no proper uv_1;
- you are making a dress that should animate differently than the nude body, so you should be transferring weights and uvs from a dress of the same length;
- if you're making a full-body outfit, clone a full-body outfit. By starting from a top you will be introducing new bones which can cause problems;

- never clone nude body parts. They have a buff that can give the sim wearing the garment an embarrassed moodlet;

- when you hover over a garment in CAS, the area lights up to indicate that you can change the shape of it. The shiny jagged look on the skirt comes from the fact that the uvs are in the wrong place in uv_1;

- and no, the normal map is not right, check how any normal map of the full-body outfit looks like

- your garment is vertex painted by the wrong color. That color is meant for accessories;

Jul 4, 2019 10:01:44 GMT -5 mauvemorn said:

Vertex paint dictates what variation (skin-tight and robe-like) of deformation maps the painted area will deform according to in CAS during body customization and animation.
00FF00 is for skint-tight areas, 3FFF00 is for any skirt-like area ( skirts, bottom parts of dresses, coats, aprons, etc).
Start by choosing 00FF00 and Paint - Set vertex color
1). Disable Limit selection to visible;
2). Holding Ctrl, lasso-select the bottom part of the mesh starting somewhere in the middle of the pelvic bone;
3). Enable sync;
4). Press B and deselect legs;
5). Switch to Vertex paint and enable Face selection masking for painting;
6). Type in 3FFF00;
7). Paint - Set vertex colors;
8). Press A twice to deselect and select everything again, Paint - Smooth vertex colors

Goodness, I guess I did a lot wrong! Thank you very much for the detailed answer! I just have a few questions, if you don't mind...

- What do you mean by not importing the obj into a new scene? Am I supposed to import my outfit into a Blender file that already had a cloned EA dress mesh? Sorry, I'm not really sure what "scene" means in Blender.

- How do I make a proper uv_1 map? My understanding was that you just renamed it, but that obviously isn't right.

- Do you know of any good, comprehensive video tutorials? I can never find ones that actually explain everything without making a ton of mistakes.

Thank you so much for helping me!

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Dress looks weird in-game and doesn't size with body May 8, 2021 14:07:27 GMT -5

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Post by mauvemorn on May 8, 2021 14:07:27 GMT -5

Yes, you need to export the blend, open it and import the obj from MD there. I will not be going into why you need to do it because at this point you will not understand it, but if you will always do it like this, you will avoid some problems.

The uv_1 map dictates how the mesh will morph during the body customisation

Mar 24, 2021 6:11:34 GMT -5 mauvemorn said:

How to transfer a uv_1 map
- find a reference that is of the same length as your garment and has as little sculpted details as possible;
- select your mesh, add a new map, name it uv_1;
- add Data transfer modifier, choose the reference as Source object, set the rest like in the pic, apply in Object mode.

Unfortunately, no, and the one we have here is not good either.

Last Edit: May 8, 2021 14:08:03 GMT -5 by mauvemorn

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Dress looks weird in-game and doesn't size with body May 10, 2021 16:58:30 GMT -5

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Post by Fwecka (Lolabellesims) on May 10, 2021 16:58:30 GMT -5

May 8, 2021 13:48:08 GMT -5 emmeranners said:

May 8, 2021 7:58:14 GMT -5 mauvemorn said:

Hi. Long story short, you should watch a different tutorial ( just NOT this one, too many mistakes ) because there are a lot of problems with the garment
Look for a tutorial where you are not told to download Blender 2.7. Always use maxis meshes as a guide for how things should be done. If the author says something that goes against how a maxis mesh is made ( "do not delete the body's uvs", "vertex paint with 00ff04", etc ), they are wrong and you should find a different tutorial bc they are most likely wrong about many other things.

- there is no need to include patterns when exporting the garment from MD;
- instead of importing obj in the new scene, clone something similar in s4s, export the blend, open it. Right now your scene has no body parts and it can cause problems;
- all parts of the body covered by clothing should be deleted. The uvs of your garment should go in the space where those delete uvs were. Right now they are extremely small and your textures will be of very poor quality
- the armpit area should be tighter. You can see in cas that the mesh doesn't look right in the chest area because of them;
- your garment has no proper uv_1;
- you are making a dress that should animate differently than the nude body, so you should be transferring weights and uvs from a dress of the same length;
- if you're making a full-body outfit, clone a full-body outfit. By starting from a top you will be introducing new bones which can cause problems;

- never clone nude body parts. They have a buff that can give the sim wearing the garment an embarrassed moodlet;

- when you hover over a garment in CAS, the area lights up to indicate that you can change the shape of it. The shiny jagged look on the skirt comes from the fact that the uvs are in the wrong place in uv_1;

- and no, the normal map is not right, check how any normal map of the full-body outfit looks like

- your garment is vertex painted by the wrong color. That color is meant for accessories;

Goodness, I guess I did a lot wrong! Thank you very much for the detailed answer! I just have a few questions, if you don't mind...

- What do you mean by not importing the obj into a new scene? Am I supposed to import my outfit into a Blender file that already had a cloned EA dress mesh? Sorry, I'm not really sure what "scene" means in Blender.

- How do I make a proper uv_1 map? My understanding was that you just renamed it, but that obviously isn't right.

- Do you know of any good, comprehensive video tutorials? I can never find ones that actually explain everything without making a ton of mistakes.

Thank you so much for helping me!

I'm always jumping into these conversations. Sorry. Just wanted to say "scene" is basically everything you see in Blender's 3D viewport, and by "3D viewport" I mean the area of Blender where you do all of your modeling--where you are working on a mesh. Up in the righthand corner of Blender is where you will find a list of everything that is in your scene: your lamps, the camera, your mesh, etc. It helps very much if you know what the terminology is as you will be encountering those technical terms a lot if you continue to make custom content.

Looking for a start-to-finish clothing tutorial? Here ya go. Look no further and download here. Please note: this tutorial is outdated. I'm working on a new one.


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Dress looks weird in-game and doesn't size with body

Post by emmeranners on May 7, 2021 18:38:56 GMT -5

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