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tyirannoss
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Bulk editing slotting behaviour Apr 27, 2020 9:55:25 GMT -5 yokozii likes this

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Post by tyirannoss on Apr 27, 2020 9:55:25 GMT -5

Hi all,

I'm very much a novice to custom content creation but I've decided to have a proper stab at it and so far things are going pretty well! My current project is editing the tall fireplaces that came with Cats & Dogs so that wall-mounted TVs can slot to the overmantle like wall decals slot to the empty signs from Dine Out. After some fiddling, I've managed to add a sign slot to the fireplaces and change the behaviour of one of the TVs so that it can slot there (with the added bonus of now being able to slot to the empty signs as well). Now, I'd really like to have it so that all wall-mounted objects (including TVs, mirrors, wall art and wall sculptures etc.) can slot to the empty sign slots which I think is as simple as changing the Slot Type Set to 8FB46C1254A1A04C.

Downside is that there are a lot of wall-mounted objects and I can't think of much that would be more tedious than making an override for every single one of them, one by one, changing the Slot Type Set each time. I know S4S has in-built batch functions to help update CC when there's a patch, for example, so I was wondering if there's any kind of functionality that would let a creator set their own rules for a batch process in S4S (maybe like, check if a package is an object that must be placed against a wall (and other criteria to weed out things like fireplaces and windows) and then automatically update the Slot Type Set.

I have a sneaking suspicion this isn't currently possible, or that it would be just as tedious to implement as going through each object individually, so if batch editing via S4S isn't feasible I was wondering if anyone had any other ideas on how to do it?

It won't be the end of the world if doing it for other wall-mounted objects is a no-go as I was originally only intending to have this work for TVs, but letting all paintings and mirrors slot to fireplaces/empty signs would be a really nice bonus.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

(Also this is only tangentially related but the _ctnm_signDeco_ and _ctnm_signDecoLarge_ slots don't seem to want to play as nicely as the normal slots in S4S for me in the sense that they don't seem to automatically update in the Slot resource when added or copied - is this something other people have run into or is this just an issue on my end? Again, not the end of the world as I can just go into the Slot resource myself and enter in the details but if I'm just doing something wrong it'd be great to know.)

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Bulk editing slotting behaviour Apr 27, 2020 20:58:09 GMT -5

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Post by freeasabird on Apr 27, 2020 20:58:09 GMT -5

First, what a cool idea, I wish you luck with it and wish I had thought of it.

Ok I think the way mods are made is by using the tuning id of a batch of objects, changing it and then overriding it but keep the original id so it effects all the objects with that id. I could be wrong. Would this be an option for you to make a group of objects snap to the wall slot? I have never played with wall slots but have often wondered if it's possible. I know there is a lot of malarkey with transparent objects on walls but I don't know if the slots are involved or just some funky programming by EA way back in the Pets pack (I think) that made a lot of wall objects think they are windows.
I think I would choose a base game mirror and use its id to override all the base game mirrors and see if that worked? :hmm

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Bulk editing slotting behaviour Apr 28, 2020 9:46:17 GMT -5 yokozii likes this

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Post by tyirannoss on Apr 28, 2020 9:46:17 GMT -5

Apr 27, 2020 20:58:09 GMT -5 freeasabird said:

First, what a cool idea, I wish you luck with it and wish I had thought of it.

Ok I think the way mods are made is by using the tuning id of a batch of objects, changing it and then overriding it but keep the original id so it effects all the objects with that id. I could be wrong. Would this be an option for you to make a group of objects snap to the wall slot? I have never played with wall slots but have often wondered if it's possible. I know there is a lot of malarkey with transparent objects on walls but I don't know if the slots are involved or just some funky programming by EA way back in the Pets pack (I think) that made a lot of wall objects think they are windows.
I think I would choose a base game mirror and use its id to override all the base game mirrors and see if that worked? :hmm

I think this sounds a lot more manageable lol so thank you for the suggestion! I'll confess I'm very poorly acquainted with tuning mods, but changing the behaviour of the default slotting ID to match the wall decals makes a lot more sense. I know you've recommended using a base game mirror to override all the other base game mirrors but I'm not sure how I'd go about doing that or what I'd search for to find out. :oops

Are there any decent tutorials you'd recommend? Thank you so much for your help by the way!

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Bulk editing slotting behaviour Apr 28, 2020 16:33:38 GMT -5 jwofles and tyirannoss like this

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Post by freeasabird on Apr 28, 2020 16:33:38 GMT -5

Hi, I used THIS tutorial to make overrides like no dishes sinks. My knowledge at the moment is mainly adding or deleting lines in the super affordances. It was a little tricky the first couple of times, I had make sure that I was pasting the lines I wanted to add in the exact right place or deleting them. But it's pretty easy with a few practices. I don't know how you made your decal slot snap to the fireplace but I suspect that making pictures and mirrors to snap to that could be done this way. I think at least some of the base game mirrors share the same tuning id, so if you change the internal tuning to make them work with the fireplace but left the id number the same it should (in theory) make all the mirrors with that id do the same thing?
You are welcome, I have wanted to make a few mods for ages, and discussing it always seems to throw light on something I didn't know I knew :Titter

Have a go and see how it goes. :Tup

Last Edit: Apr 28, 2020 16:34:21 GMT -5 by freeasabird

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tyirannoss
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Bulk editing slotting behaviour Apr 30, 2020 13:08:39 GMT -5 freeasabird, yokozii, and 1 more like this

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Post by tyirannoss on Apr 30, 2020 13:08:39 GMT -5

Hmm so I tried using that tutorial to extract tuning but every time I clicked extract tuning S4S crashed. :( I think having looked at other mods where people have uploaded a bunch of overrides to get certain objects behave in a certain way, it is a matter of going through one by one. I also don't think i'd be able to go down the route of changing how the slot type set normally behaves because on wall objects it's 0000000000000000, which is the slot type set for all objects that don't slot to other objects. So, if I changed it so that it could slot to the wall sign slot, stuff like floor lamps and sofas would slot to wall signs as well which wouldn't be ideal lol. I'm happy enough at the moment with all my TVs being able to slot - that was the original plan either way! Thank you so much for your help and tutorial recommendations too, it was really enlightening to see how tuning mods work, even if I can't seem to try it just yet, and it's definitely got me inspired! :D

Also, if anyone is interested, to add a (large) wall sign slot to any object, go to Rig/Slots click "Add", enter "Name" as "_ctnm_signDecoLarge_0" then use the x/y/z co-ordinates to place the slot where you'd like (like you would do with any slot). Then go to Tools > Modding > Sync rig changes to slot. Then go to the Warehouse tab, click on the Slot resource, find the "Container Slots" entry and click "Edit Items". Then click "Add", and enter the following details: Container size - 0, Slot type set - C4EF5CEFD25BA4A3, slot direction locked - 1, legacy hash - 01FB8447, slot type set name - slotset_signdecolarge, legacy name - [leave blank], name hash - 5D919847, bone name hash - 5D919847 and transform - 1,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,1,0,[X],[Z],[Y],1 (Where X, Z and Y are replaced with the co-ordinates you entered in the Rig/Slots section). The last numbers of the legacy/name/bone hashes (47) needs to decrease as the last number in sign_DecoLarge_0 increases. So 47 = 0, 46 = 1, 45 = 2 etc. I don't know how far it goes but there's probably a limit.

If you're adding slots to different sides of an object, probably take a look at the "unfulfilled" signs to check that the numbers are correct for the transform section as I think the first couple of 1s and 0s affect the rotation of the object that's being slotted to your new slot. I didn't play around with this too much because I was usually just copying the slot resources from a slot that I knew faced the correct way. Usually it's easier just to copy slots both in the Rig/Slots section and in the Slot resource then tweak the names, hashes and X/Y/Z values there. To get other objects to act like wall decals that slot to signs, change the slot type set in each Object Catalog resource in the warehouse tab from "0000000000000000" to "8FB46C1254A1A04C" or "B102F9605A81DFB7". I think "8FB46C1254A1A04C" makes the object act like a large wall decal and "B102F9605A81DFB7" makes the object act like a small wall decal but I haven't looked into this really. I was having an issue with changing the slot type set causing surfaces to turn shiny, but deleting unnecessary resources from the override file seemed to fix it.

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Bulk editing slotting behaviour May 4, 2020 17:07:59 GMT -5

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Post by freeasabird on May 4, 2020 17:07:59 GMT -5

I'm so sorry, I completely forgot about this. First the way to to add the tuning file so you can edit it is to search using the description in the Object Definition name, copy it and paste it into the tuning list, when it comes up click ADD TO FILE, don't try to extract it.

Thanks for all the info, I had an idea it was complicated to adjust or mod the wall slots. I have often wished I could add wall slots to objects but have never dare to try. I am number blind (numbers make little sense to me, but formulas are easy as they read like a sentence) so I don't think I will be trying to add them any time soon. Although I imagine the info will be of help to others :Tup

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Post by tyirannoss on Apr 27, 2020 9:55:25 GMT -5

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